Friday, June 22, 2007
Nation of Scofflaws
In his Times-Standard column yesterday, David Cobb railed against national immigration sweeps that stormed into Fortuna last week, stranding children and removing bread winners from families who need them. “The reality is that the overwhelming majority of Americans are immigrants, or the direct descendants of immigrants,” he wrote.
Another weekly columnist, Leo Sears, wasted no time responding in today’s paper by poo-pooing the notion that the
Sears is only partially right. We are a nation of selectively enforced laws, with the biggest lawbreakers often being those empowered to keep us in line. Just ask CIA Director Michael Hayden who announced yesterday that hundreds of pages detailing illegal CIA activity will be declassified. The documents will shed light on decades of domestic spying, kidnapping, and assassination attempts. Perhaps we should reverently stand to read these shameful pages -- placing hands over hearts -- while learning about government surveillance of journalists, infiltration of leftist groups, and covert experiments on civilians, including the use of drugs.
Not surprisingly, the CIA refers to these tactics as “the family jewels.” Apparently, it takes balls to be a sanctioned, well-paid criminal. Stephen Colbert would be proud.
Hayden says the documents “provide a glimpse of a very different time and a very different agency.” However, a quick glance at news over the last few years shows these activities by the US government continue with vigor.
George W. Bush is widely reported to have called the Constitution “just a goddamn piece of paper.” His administration behaves as such, trampling long-celebrated rights provided by the founding fathers.
Ripping families apart and orphaning children in the name of a “nation of laws” is an abuse of power -- just like government-tapped phone lines or FBI agents posing as human beings in order to infiltrate peace organizations.
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If David Cobb actually wrote “...the overwhelming majority of Americans are immigrants, or the direct descendants of immigrants,” then we have proof positive that Cobb is an idiot.
The issue not immigration.
The issue is ILLEGAL immigration.
Only an IDIOT could fail to understand that.
The issue not immigration.
The issue is ILLEGAL immigration.
Only an IDIOT could fail to understand that.
# posted by 
: 6/22/2007 09:00:00 PM
: 6/22/2007 09:00:00 PM
Cobb IS an idiot because he wants to give our nation to a bunch of criminals... and we ALREADY have that.
No wonder the Green Party will never amount to a REAL third party - they endorse things which HURT true Americans.
Just like the democRATS and the republiCAN'TS!!!!
No wonder the Green Party will never amount to a REAL third party - they endorse things which HURT true Americans.
Just like the democRATS and the republiCAN'TS!!!!
# posted by : 6/23/2007 08:23:00 AM
: 6/23/2007 08:23:00 AM
Did you see that hard- hitting My Word piece in today's Times- Standard on the recent ICE raids?
http://www.times-standard.com/opinion/ci_6212892
http://www.times-standard.com/opinion/ci_6212892
I read the My Word and agreed with most all of it. The local ICE raids were chilling.
The article in the Times Standard regarding the City Councilwoman in SoCAL potentially being deported after believing she was a citizen all her life, was equally disturbing.
The article in the Times Standard regarding the City Councilwoman in SoCAL potentially being deported after believing she was a citizen all her life, was equally disturbing.
I did read that editorial.
The writer quoted ICE spokeswoman, Virginia Kice, who was on the Humboldt Review radio show (same show where Rodoni called Hanson "Rambo"). It's ridiculous (and not believable) that ICE doesn't keep numbers of how many people were arrested and removed in Fortuna. Christina Albright from the ACLU said she understand the number to be 17.
Albright said people were searched illegally, without warrants. When asked how the agents knew who to search, Kice said their agents have "exhaustive training." Who knew it took "exhaustive training" to racially profile people.
The writer quoted ICE spokeswoman, Virginia Kice, who was on the Humboldt Review radio show (same show where Rodoni called Hanson "Rambo"). It's ridiculous (and not believable) that ICE doesn't keep numbers of how many people were arrested and removed in Fortuna. Christina Albright from the ACLU said she understand the number to be 17.
Albright said people were searched illegally, without warrants. When asked how the agents knew who to search, Kice said their agents have "exhaustive training." Who knew it took "exhaustive training" to racially profile people.
There is another US citizen in SoCal who was wrongly deported. His mother is in Tijuana carrying his picture around looking for him. She's suing the Dept. of Homeland Security and the LA County Sheriffs Dept.
Heraldo, do you ever get tired of explaining these thing to conservatives? I am pretty sure at this point these people have a mental disorder. You can present facts, you can cite the hell out of your posts, but they still don't get it, and probably never will. How can you not be frustrated?
# posted by : 6/23/2007 01:09:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 01:09:00 PM
It is indeed annoying when people rush to comment before reading the whole post, as the first cracked-out commenter on this thread appears to have done.
After miraculously completing the first paragraph, said commenter scrolled down to the comment link to dazzle us with childish prose littered with capitalized nonsense. Fortunately such comments are as ignorant as they look, which isn't lost on most readers.
After miraculously completing the first paragraph, said commenter scrolled down to the comment link to dazzle us with childish prose littered with capitalized nonsense. Fortunately such comments are as ignorant as they look, which isn't lost on most readers.
we already KNOW that bush abuses his power. he has since day one.
others abuse our system ... illegals.... welfare cheaters... corporate tax cheats.
democrats, republicans and the aclu
too!
they are ALL guilty of helping to ruin our nation.
when you try to say that the "illegals" raids were unjust, it's like saying that bush shouldn't face a court for his crimes.
leaches and parasites of ALL colors and creeds should obey the laws of the U.S..
I really doubt the average American citizen can do anything about bush... and the democrats obviously won't, so Americans can't do anything about bush or the gop. (or the democrats)
But maybe we CAN do some good by rounding up some lower class scum...
and then work our way up to the bigwigs.
who do you think hires these anti-American union busters anyway???
others abuse our system ... illegals.... welfare cheaters... corporate tax cheats.
democrats, republicans and the aclu
too!
they are ALL guilty of helping to ruin our nation.
when you try to say that the "illegals" raids were unjust, it's like saying that bush shouldn't face a court for his crimes.
leaches and parasites of ALL colors and creeds should obey the laws of the U.S..
I really doubt the average American citizen can do anything about bush... and the democrats obviously won't, so Americans can't do anything about bush or the gop. (or the democrats)
But maybe we CAN do some good by rounding up some lower class scum...
and then work our way up to the bigwigs.
who do you think hires these anti-American union busters anyway???
# posted by : 6/23/2007 02:20:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 02:20:00 PM
As Proudhon is said to have written
Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of the government.
I've always thought the important thing about America was that we're trying to do at least a little better. When the law protects the poor and weak, and pierces the shields of wealth and power, we'll have a shot at justice.
Laws: We know what they are, and what they are worth! They are spider webs for the rich and mighty, steel chains for the poor and weak, fishing nets in the hands of the government.
I've always thought the important thing about America was that we're trying to do at least a little better. When the law protects the poor and weak, and pierces the shields of wealth and power, we'll have a shot at justice.
# posted by : 6/23/2007 02:30:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 02:30:00 PM
Heraldo, by "the first cracked-out commenter on this thread" did you mean the person who started his comment with the words, "If David Cobb actually wrote..." ?
Or did you mean the person who began his remarks with the words, "Cobb IS an idiot because he wants..." ?
Or did you mean the person who began his remarks with the words, "Cobb IS an idiot because he wants..." ?
# posted by : 6/23/2007 05:39:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 05:39:00 PM
I can see why you're confused since both are pretty crack-headed. I was referring to the first comment in the thread, which clearly belongs to someone who didn't read the whole post.
Is there a law of some sort that posters must read your entire tedious articles before responding to the part of the article that interests them?
# posted by : 6/23/2007 06:23:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 06:23:00 PM
In the current day, calling me "cracked-out" does not mean the same thing as saying that I am "cracked-headed."
Isn't it pretty doggone "ad hominen" of you to call a poster a crack addict just because you disagree with his deeply-held views about illegal immigration?
What kind of example are you setting for the people who post messages on The Humboldt Herald?
Isn't it pretty doggone "ad hominen" of you to call a poster a crack addict just because you disagree with his deeply-held views about illegal immigration?
What kind of example are you setting for the people who post messages on The Humboldt Herald?
# posted by : 6/23/2007 06:28:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 06:28:00 PM
These ideas of Leo Sears, with which I agree, have been published before in at least one other local publication.
# posted by : 6/23/2007 06:52:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 06:52:00 PM
Cobb should save us all time and just write his name on the article and leave the page blank. WE all know he will have nothing insightful or creative to say. Worse nothing that will make us think. It's the same old whinning drone of the socialist hand out non producers. He would drink his own piss if Soros said it would hurt America.
# posted by : 6/23/2007 09:20:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 09:20:00 PM
In the current day, calling me "cracked-out" does not mean the same thing as saying that I am "cracked-headed."
Being unfamiliar with current lingo of crack addicts, I appreciate the clarification.
Isn't it pretty doggone "ad hominen" of you to call a poster a crack addict just because you disagree with his deeply-held views about illegal immigration?
The crack reference was in the commenter's (apparently yours) rush to comment without reading the whole post. It appeared speed-freaky and over zealous, especially with the caps lock.
What kind of example are you setting for the people who post messages on The Humboldt Herald?
Funny.
Being unfamiliar with current lingo of crack addicts, I appreciate the clarification.
Isn't it pretty doggone "ad hominen" of you to call a poster a crack addict just because you disagree with his deeply-held views about illegal immigration?
The crack reference was in the commenter's (apparently yours) rush to comment without reading the whole post. It appeared speed-freaky and over zealous, especially with the caps lock.
What kind of example are you setting for the people who post messages on The Humboldt Herald?
Funny.
1:09 yr not far off the mark with yr question about a right-wing mental disorder. Latent fascism isn't in the diagnostic manual yet, but it may be a distinct and identifiable personality or cultural type.
Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians is must-read for those who still can. I'd be especially interested to know what some of our apparently local RWAs have to say about it.
You at 2:20, for example: you're pissed off, I get that, and it's at pretty much everybody, politicians and corporations, "democrats, republicans and the aclu
too!/they are ALL guilty of helping to ruin our nation."
Ruin our nation. And then you talk about the "leaches and parasites," and how we might "do some good by rounding up some lower class scum."
I dunno, maybe it's just me. But that sounds creepy, and racist, and a whole lot like what I'd expect to hear from the star-crossed American brownshirts, hard-right folks who are so right-wing they've even given up on Poor George the Idiot King.
(Hey, you wouldn't be the same guy going on about the IDIOT in that talk-before-you-think first fusillade? Nah, I didn't think so.)
Anyway, I wonder what a person like that would think about the notion that they might just be a member of a minority that's predisposed to authoriarianism?
Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians is must-read for those who still can. I'd be especially interested to know what some of our apparently local RWAs have to say about it.
You at 2:20, for example: you're pissed off, I get that, and it's at pretty much everybody, politicians and corporations, "democrats, republicans and the aclu
too!/they are ALL guilty of helping to ruin our nation."
Ruin our nation. And then you talk about the "leaches and parasites," and how we might "do some good by rounding up some lower class scum."
I dunno, maybe it's just me. But that sounds creepy, and racist, and a whole lot like what I'd expect to hear from the star-crossed American brownshirts, hard-right folks who are so right-wing they've even given up on Poor George the Idiot King.
(Hey, you wouldn't be the same guy going on about the IDIOT in that talk-before-you-think first fusillade? Nah, I didn't think so.)
Anyway, I wonder what a person like that would think about the notion that they might just be a member of a minority that's predisposed to authoriarianism?
# posted by : 6/23/2007 10:46:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 10:46:00 PM
There is a mean streak beneath the veneer of civility here, Heraldo. When did you get tired of pretending to be a reasonable person?
# posted by : 6/23/2007 11:32:00 PM
: 6/23/2007 11:32:00 PM
"Latent fascism" and "crack-headedness" is the definition of George W. Bush's "dog and pony show."
# posted by : 6/24/2007 11:16:00 AM
: 6/24/2007 11:16:00 AM
Why do people think illegals are a "drain" on society? They are doing the hard, backbreaking physical labor jobs that our cracked out lazy ass labor force would never ever consider.
# posted by : 6/24/2007 12:21:00 PM
: 6/24/2007 12:21:00 PM
Finially got something have right. Bush is a dog and pony show,correct,so is heraldo. Why do people think that illegals are a drain? Dumb ass,because they are.
# posted by : 6/24/2007 12:51:00 PM
: 6/24/2007 12:51:00 PM
Corporations, especially the military-industrial ones, are the real "drain" on American society.
# posted by : 6/24/2007 03:58:00 PM
: 6/24/2007 03:58:00 PM
"It appeared speed-freaky and over zealous, especially with the caps lock."
Until now, Heraldo, I have done you the courtesy of not mentioning your caps-lock phobia, which I believe may be symptomatic of a more serious underlying disorder. (That's not an insult. It's a good-natured joke.)
In any case, please note that coffee is my only chemical stimulant. (That's not a good-natured joke. It's the honest truth.)
Until now, Heraldo, I have done you the courtesy of not mentioning your caps-lock phobia, which I believe may be symptomatic of a more serious underlying disorder. (That's not an insult. It's a good-natured joke.)
In any case, please note that coffee is my only chemical stimulant. (That's not a good-natured joke. It's the honest truth.)
# posted by : 6/24/2007 05:16:00 PM
: 6/24/2007 05:16:00 PM
your liberal gal diann made more off this f-----g war than a working man could in 1000 life times. rep war,oh that's sweet. burn another fattie and stay in your fog.
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: 6/24/2007 06:03:00 PM << Home
