Sunday, June 17, 2007
Driven Out
From the Triplicate:
"I realized I was sitting on a story of ethnic cleansing in the
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After being forced from their
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When they arrived, the Chinese sued
"It is an instance of formidable resistence," Pfaelzer said of the action that also sought damages for their lost wages, fishing vessels, crops and horses. "They sue for being the objects of mob violence, the intangible hatred that has come down on them and forced them out of
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Pfaelzer wants the issue and her book to focus more attention on current immigration problems.
She pointed to communities in the
"It is happening again," Pfaelzer said.
She compared rules that called on the Chinese to carry photo IDs to possible future requirements for
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"Many communities are just now beginning to deal with what happened to the first Chinese Americans," Pfaelzer said.
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They drove all of the Chinese out except Charlie Moon at Redwood Creek Ranch. When the vigilantes came to gather Charlie Moon up, his employer (can't remember the name off the bat) drove them off with guns. They let Charlie stay.
I went to school with his decendents.
This is not a new local history story.
I went to school with his decendents.
This is not a new local history story.
The Humbodt Historical Society may be a great resource for you. Membership includes a subsription to the Humboldt Historian. I seem to recall a recent article on this subject. Glad to hear that you attended the book signing.
Well, from the sounds of it, good ole Heraldo doesn't come from around these parts.
Moon took a Indian for a wife and soon enough had "more Moons then Jupiter" running around him.
Moon took a Indian for a wife and soon enough had "more Moons then Jupiter" running around him.
# posted by 
: 6/17/2007 06:16:00 PM
: 6/17/2007 06:16:00 PM
This is not a new local history story.
Not at all. But it is the subject of a new book and a recent Triplicate article.
Not at all. But it is the subject of a new book and a recent Triplicate article.
Waitaminit - the Daily Triplicate (which, don't get me wrong, has been putting the lie to Del Norte's reactionary rep) manages to pass the story along ...but no coverage in the HumCo press? None? Do they need a story that makes Mendo the bad guys?
# posted by : 6/17/2007 11:21:00 PM
: 6/17/2007 11:21:00 PM
Every now and then eBay turns up an old county tourism brochure that touts, "No Chinese."
# posted by : 6/18/2007 02:02:00 AM
: 6/18/2007 02:02:00 AM
The book's title is erroneous. While it is true Karl Benz invented the automobile in 1885, who could reasonably assume it was imported the same year to Humboldt County, or that a significant number of Chinese could be driven out on it on what had to be terribly bumpy dirt roads (if there were "roads" at all)? Not to mention the lack of gasoline stations on the north coast at the time.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 07:54:00 AM
: 6/18/2007 07:54:00 AM
This isn't even news in Del Norte.
No one reads the Triplicate anyway because they are literally the worst newspaper on the North Coast. They are always wrong and rarely cover anything that happens outside of a 9-5 weekday shift. They do not work weekends, they do not cover after-hours news and it is widely known in Del Norte that their hiring practices are highly illegal. Western Communications is going broke trying to keep it and the Curry Coastal Pilot afloat.
This book story was probably handed to them six months ago, was ignored, was resent another half-dozen times, phone calls were made, emails sent, and finally when the author threatened to go to the Times-Standard, the Triplicate relented and their reporter had to churn out the crappy story off the clock in ten minutes with no editing. And then the reporter had to sit through a half-hour reaming from the editor.
Don't bother with the Triplicate. Their philosophy is just like the Eureka Reporter: as long as a paper hits doorsteps in the morning we're doing a top-notch job.
Don't bother with the Historical Society. They are a mean little clique of pissed-off old ladies (locals only) that will screw you over if you cross them.
In fact, don't bother with Crescent City at all. It's a shithole filled with ugly, horrible people. They didn't just stop once the Chinese were gone. They run all the decent folks out of town any time they find some.
No one reads the Triplicate anyway because they are literally the worst newspaper on the North Coast. They are always wrong and rarely cover anything that happens outside of a 9-5 weekday shift. They do not work weekends, they do not cover after-hours news and it is widely known in Del Norte that their hiring practices are highly illegal. Western Communications is going broke trying to keep it and the Curry Coastal Pilot afloat.
This book story was probably handed to them six months ago, was ignored, was resent another half-dozen times, phone calls were made, emails sent, and finally when the author threatened to go to the Times-Standard, the Triplicate relented and their reporter had to churn out the crappy story off the clock in ten minutes with no editing. And then the reporter had to sit through a half-hour reaming from the editor.
Don't bother with the Triplicate. Their philosophy is just like the Eureka Reporter: as long as a paper hits doorsteps in the morning we're doing a top-notch job.
Don't bother with the Historical Society. They are a mean little clique of pissed-off old ladies (locals only) that will screw you over if you cross them.
In fact, don't bother with Crescent City at all. It's a shithole filled with ugly, horrible people. They didn't just stop once the Chinese were gone. They run all the decent folks out of town any time they find some.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 10:02:00 AM
: 6/18/2007 10:02:00 AM
Crescent City is the Paris of the West. The previous commenter obviously has a grudge with the newspaper and the city. He sounds unemployable. Sorry guy, Arcata isn't going to feed you anymore.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 10:12:00 AM
: 6/18/2007 10:12:00 AM
I was going to point to the Journal's coverage, but Hank beat me to it (darn, that Hank!). A good story about an awful story.
Don't know about living in Crescent City, but I sure like the beaches, Los Compadres and that campground right off Humboldt Road and 101.
Don't know about living in Crescent City, but I sure like the beaches, Los Compadres and that campground right off Humboldt Road and 101.
I think my ancestors are due admiration for achieving their ambitions against great odds and competing ethnic groups who were also guilty of what today seems like atrocities.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 10:35:00 AM
: 6/18/2007 10:35:00 AM
A person with a grudge against the newspaper and the city...
That is EVERYONE in Del Norte County! That rag has truly screwed over the whole county with its bad reporting. KHSU covers Crescent City better than the Craplicate.
Example:
When our high school football team was about to play their most critical game of the season last fall, the T-S did a nice preview story on the front of the sports section and with a good photo. The Triplicate gave it a tiny little story about as long as a credit card is wide at the bottom corner of the sports page with a little thumbnail photo of a random player.
This is what they always do to us, and anytime we complain the editor tells us we don't know what we're talking about and that nothing will change because he thinks his staff is doing a super job.
A fully justified grudge.
That is EVERYONE in Del Norte County! That rag has truly screwed over the whole county with its bad reporting. KHSU covers Crescent City better than the Craplicate.
Example:
When our high school football team was about to play their most critical game of the season last fall, the T-S did a nice preview story on the front of the sports section and with a good photo. The Triplicate gave it a tiny little story about as long as a credit card is wide at the bottom corner of the sports page with a little thumbnail photo of a random player.
This is what they always do to us, and anytime we complain the editor tells us we don't know what we're talking about and that nothing will change because he thinks his staff is doing a super job.
A fully justified grudge.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 12:05:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 12:05:00 PM
thanks Hank and Jen
Kudos to Amy and the NCJ for covering it, and sorry for the misinformed-ness; I was just hauling my own sorry self back to our happy corner of the continent when this hit.
Having a nice slice of crow pie at the moment. Goes nicely with cold X-Blend, Bayside Roaster's primo imho.
As for Crescent City, I've always thought it a pretty good control case for what Humboldt would've been if the hippies had never come.
I hope 7:45 was funnin' - cause "driving" was a word long before infernal combustion hit the scene.
/trollbait
Kudos to Amy and the NCJ for covering it, and sorry for the misinformed-ness; I was just hauling my own sorry self back to our happy corner of the continent when this hit.
Having a nice slice of crow pie at the moment. Goes nicely with cold X-Blend, Bayside Roaster's primo imho.
As for Crescent City, I've always thought it a pretty good control case for what Humboldt would've been if the hippies had never come.
I hope 7:45 was funnin' - cause "driving" was a word long before infernal combustion hit the scene.
/trollbait
# posted by : 6/18/2007 12:19:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 12:19:00 PM
As for Crescent City, I've always thought it a pretty good control case for what Humboldt would've been if the hippies had never come.
That's a good theory!
That's a good theory!
12:05 did you get fired from the paper or something? The Triplicate rocks. Maybe you've never experienced good journalism before.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 01:49:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 01:49:00 PM
There are plenty of hippies that live in Crescent City. How do you compare them? Both cities are propped up by state dollars. One has a university the other has a maximum security prison.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 04:38:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 04:38:00 PM
"...Crescent City, I've always thought it a pretty good...case for what Humboldt would've been if the hippies had never come.
This guy obviously likes hippies.
This guy obviously likes hippies.
Depressant City is what I call it. If it took those fuckin' hippies to keep us from turnin' out like that, then so be it.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 05:29:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 05:29:00 PM
Crescent City represents our future: Wall Mart and a prison. The only missing piece is a defense plant.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 06:15:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 06:15:00 PM
Leave Crescent City alone!
Did Del Norte High not kick our ever-lovin' asses all over the map in prep football the last two seasons? And where did the those little Sons 0' Hippies at Arcata High place? Hmmmm?
Did Del Norte High not kick our ever-lovin' asses all over the map in prep football the last two seasons? And where did the those little Sons 0' Hippies at Arcata High place? Hmmmm?
Here we go again. The armpit of Humboldt County preaching to us about how to make a nice community. If we suck so badly, stop shopping here. Crescent City has experienced a renaissance in the past 15 years. Get over yourself. And our newspaper is top notch too. Sorry if that bothers you so much. You're a small fish in a small pond. If you couldn't get a job in Crescent City, try Gnome, Alaska. Maybe they want you.
# posted by : 6/18/2007 10:05:00 PM
: 6/18/2007 10:05:00 PM
The Moon family is alive and thriving to this day. Charlie Moon did indeed end up in Hoopa with an American Indian woman and now there are very many Moon descendants. As many Moons as McCoveys.
The question is will the Chinese ever be able to overcome these horrors and be competitive in the world economy?
Never mind.
Never mind.
# posted by : 6/19/2007 07:47:00 AM
: 6/19/2007 07:47:00 AM
henry thims shows up to bleat like a sheep... hoping that SOMEONE will read his NCJ.
sorry henry. you and the NCJ are dull and passe'.
go hang out with your protege - captain buhne.
two failed "journalists", blowing in the breeze
HAW!
sorry henry. you and the NCJ are dull and passe'.
go hang out with your protege - captain buhne.
two failed "journalists", blowing in the breeze
HAW!
# posted by : 6/19/2007 08:59:00 AM
: 6/19/2007 08:59:00 AM
This guy obviously likes hippies.
Let's just say I know who my people are. I probably have less patience with the pervasive dopey hippies than many of your nicer rednecks, but I've just never been a Wrangler kind of non-rodent.
There are plenty of hippies that live in Crescent City. How do you compare them? Both cities are propped up by state dollars. One has a university the other has a maximum security prison.
Somehow the hippies never hit the tipping point in CC. We're comparing Humboldt and DN, not Arcata (or Fortuna) and CC. And we're talking about thirty years back, and about how the burst of new inhabitants changed the economy and the culture of HumCo.
But you've hit two key points: HSU has been central to making all of NoHum a more lively and liberal place -- something other than a depressed rural fringe. While Pelican Bay has brought bucks in to DN, I think the influx of hard-right prison guards has not done CC any cultural or political favors.
Which brings us back to the nominal topic of the thread: the North Coast's history of popular and institutional racism. Hippies often suck, but they aren't usually racists.
Let's just say I know who my people are. I probably have less patience with the pervasive dopey hippies than many of your nicer rednecks, but I've just never been a Wrangler kind of non-rodent.
There are plenty of hippies that live in Crescent City. How do you compare them? Both cities are propped up by state dollars. One has a university the other has a maximum security prison.
Somehow the hippies never hit the tipping point in CC. We're comparing Humboldt and DN, not Arcata (or Fortuna) and CC. And we're talking about thirty years back, and about how the burst of new inhabitants changed the economy and the culture of HumCo.
But you've hit two key points: HSU has been central to making all of NoHum a more lively and liberal place -- something other than a depressed rural fringe. While Pelican Bay has brought bucks in to DN, I think the influx of hard-right prison guards has not done CC any cultural or political favors.
Which brings us back to the nominal topic of the thread: the North Coast's history of popular and institutional racism. Hippies often suck, but they aren't usually racists.
# posted by : 6/19/2007 10:04:00 AM
: 6/19/2007 10:04:00 AM
"Hippies often suck, but they aren't usually racists."
Not unless they are bigoted against whites like themselves.
Not unless they are bigoted against whites like themselves.
# posted by : 6/19/2007 10:18:00 AM
: 6/19/2007 10:18:00 AM
Not unless they are bigoted against whites like themselves.
In which the gentle commenter reveals the willful ignorance (and feeble logic) that so often accompanies contemporary racism.
The whole "bigoted against whites" idea is both comprehensively stupid and a 'tell' for one who has been trolling around in the shallow end of racist politics.
Next you're going to tell me about how you had a brown friend once?
While I'm at it, folks - no insult meant to the Moons, but it was not uncommon for towns that ran the darkies/chinks/wetbacks out to allow one to stay, and then to point to him and argue their essential innocence. Nonsense.
In which the gentle commenter reveals the willful ignorance (and feeble logic) that so often accompanies contemporary racism.
The whole "bigoted against whites" idea is both comprehensively stupid and a 'tell' for one who has been trolling around in the shallow end of racist politics.
Next you're going to tell me about how you had a brown friend once?
While I'm at it, folks - no insult meant to the Moons, but it was not uncommon for towns that ran the darkies/chinks/wetbacks out to allow one to stay, and then to point to him and argue their essential innocence. Nonsense.
# posted by : 6/19/2007 11:13:00 AM
: 6/19/2007 11:13:00 AM
You sound like that CUNY professor who once said it was impossible for African-Americans to be racists. Talk about nonsense.
# posted by : 6/19/2007 01:29:00 PM
: 6/19/2007 01:29:00 PM
"Next you're going to tell me about how you had a brown friend once?"
No, I've had some dark-skinned Native American, Hispanic, Asian, and African-American lovers, but my eclectic lovelife is not the issue.
When I wrote about hippies who harbor prejudices against whites like themselves, I was thinking about one person in particular.
This person recently flew into a self-righteous rage against a lifetime supporter of civil rights and a long-time member of the NAACP.
Why? The offender had expressed some opinions about Black kids and education like the ones Bill Cosby had expressed.
You know. Racist opinions such as "it's good for children to learn standard American English if they want to succeed economically."
What could be more hateful than that?
But isn't it screwy that in today's world, wanting what's best for all kids, including non-white kids, is considered racist.
Better that they should stew in ignorance and then blame the White Man for their woes?
I think not.
No, I've had some dark-skinned Native American, Hispanic, Asian, and African-American lovers, but my eclectic lovelife is not the issue.
When I wrote about hippies who harbor prejudices against whites like themselves, I was thinking about one person in particular.
This person recently flew into a self-righteous rage against a lifetime supporter of civil rights and a long-time member of the NAACP.
Why? The offender had expressed some opinions about Black kids and education like the ones Bill Cosby had expressed.
You know. Racist opinions such as "it's good for children to learn standard American English if they want to succeed economically."
What could be more hateful than that?
But isn't it screwy that in today's world, wanting what's best for all kids, including non-white kids, is considered racist.
Better that they should stew in ignorance and then blame the White Man for their woes?
I think not.
# posted by : 6/19/2007 06:23:00 PM
: 6/19/2007 06:23:00 PM
"I think the influx of hard-right prison guards has not done CC any cultural or political favors."
When I was working in southern Oregon, it appeared that most of the Pelican Bay guards lived in and around Brookings. So much for the prison helping out the local economy.
When I was working in southern Oregon, it appeared that most of the Pelican Bay guards lived in and around Brookings. So much for the prison helping out the local economy.
PART ONE:
The Correctional Officers are mostly white trash rednecks with money. They treat everyone who isn't one of them like shit-- they will cut you off in traffic, cut in front of your elderly mother in line in the store, and will threaten to either beat you or arrest you if you cross them. I have had more than one attempt to violate my rights, saying "I'm a cop" and insisting that they could arrest me. They are every bit as sleazy as the scum they baby-sit all day.
PART TWO:
The prison has brought more crime and criminals into the county than anything in its history. When you lump all the worst offenders in the state into one place, all those inmates' friends, families, and gang members suddenly show up. The Nortenas, the Aryan Brotherhood, M-13, the list is long and includes all the nastiest gangs. And of course the mexicans brought all their good (and bad) meth recipes with them, as well as plenty of illegals to take up our jobs and tend the backwoods pot gardens with full-auto firearms.
Before the prison, we had a redneck-filled dung pile with no economy and no future.
Now we have a redneck-filled dung pile with no economy, no future and a growing gang and drug epidemic to boot.
Lucky us.
The Correctional Officers are mostly white trash rednecks with money. They treat everyone who isn't one of them like shit-- they will cut you off in traffic, cut in front of your elderly mother in line in the store, and will threaten to either beat you or arrest you if you cross them. I have had more than one attempt to violate my rights, saying "I'm a cop" and insisting that they could arrest me. They are every bit as sleazy as the scum they baby-sit all day.
PART TWO:
The prison has brought more crime and criminals into the county than anything in its history. When you lump all the worst offenders in the state into one place, all those inmates' friends, families, and gang members suddenly show up. The Nortenas, the Aryan Brotherhood, M-13, the list is long and includes all the nastiest gangs. And of course the mexicans brought all their good (and bad) meth recipes with them, as well as plenty of illegals to take up our jobs and tend the backwoods pot gardens with full-auto firearms.
Before the prison, we had a redneck-filled dung pile with no economy and no future.
Now we have a redneck-filled dung pile with no economy, no future and a growing gang and drug epidemic to boot.
Lucky us.
# posted by : 6/20/2007 10:17:00 AM
: 6/20/2007 10:17:00 AM
10:17:00 AM has said things that everybody who knows Del Norte County knows, and that nobody seems to have been saying.
# posted by : 6/20/2007 01:25:00 PM
: 6/20/2007 01:25:00 PM
This type of forum is the only one where free speech still exists.
The policy of the Times-Standard and most other newspapers of requiring all letters to be signed means no one dares express ideas or share information that the public desperately needs to know, but that is risky to reveal.
For example, if drug dealers or gang members and their activities are identified in a Times-Standard letter to the editor, wouldn't those dangerous people try to hurt the letter writer or the family of the letter writer? Rather than subject one's loved ones to possible pain and suffering, one keeps one's mouth shut - and our country sinks further down into the slime.
It follows that the Anonymous blog entry is absolutely essential to the sharing of volatile information that might otherwise never come to light and so never be subjected to corrective action.
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The policy of the Times-Standard and most other newspapers of requiring all letters to be signed means no one dares express ideas or share information that the public desperately needs to know, but that is risky to reveal.
For example, if drug dealers or gang members and their activities are identified in a Times-Standard letter to the editor, wouldn't those dangerous people try to hurt the letter writer or the family of the letter writer? Rather than subject one's loved ones to possible pain and suffering, one keeps one's mouth shut - and our country sinks further down into the slime.
It follows that the Anonymous blog entry is absolutely essential to the sharing of volatile information that might otherwise never come to light and so never be subjected to corrective action.
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